Spray Foam Mafia: Toolbox Talks on Safety

Podcast 11: Episode 1-10 Enhancing Job Safety Practices Through Laughter

• Jeremiah Schoneberg and Dan Benedict

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Embark on a journey with us through the heart of the spray foam industry as we promise to uncover the secrets of safety that can transform your job site practices. Join our safety toolbox talks, where we take a retrospective look at our past episodes and the global impact they've had on listeners from 14 countries. We'll dive into the critical role of CPI certification as a testament to your commitment to safety and training, while weaving in humor and engaging content to keep you entertained.

Face the challenges of the season head-on with our practical tips for overcoming weather-related hurdles, especially in the unpredictable climates of Arizona. Whether it's layering clothes to combat the cold or indulging in some pickle juice to keep your electrolytes balanced, we've got you covered. With insights from Josh of Graco, we also discuss how respecting equipment energy forms is non-negotiable, and explore the lessons learned from near misses that can create a culture of vigilance and awareness in the workplace.

Get ready to chuckle as we share anecdotes about troubleshooting foam application concerns and the importance of open communication with tech support. From the evolution of vacuum technology with Dave Krenzel to addressing mental health and equipment care during the hectic holiday season, we blend humor with crucial insights. We wrap up with a nod to festive antics inspired by "Christmas Vacation," expressing gratitude for our listeners and inviting you to join our community of safety-conscious professionals who value both laughter and learning.

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Dan:

All right, welcome back. Welcome back to Toolbox Talks on Safety for the Spray Foam Industry. I'm Dan Benedict, spray Foam, arizona. I'm Jeremiah Schoenberg, upc, and today is episode 11. And our illustrious producer is telling us to do a recap and maybe hit on some of the highlights we've done on our first 10 episodes. Our illustrious producer gave you directions, then left us to figure it out I don't know whether I should mention that she went to the bar when she left us she did, she is not a raging alcoholic?

Jeremiah:

I promise, not even marginally she just dropped you off, like it's like a play date and said I'm out. I'm out of here I'm gonna go hang out with my friends have fun.

Dan:

Behave yourself or you'll never get invited back. No, so one of her questions was how's it going? How do we think it's going so far? What's your opinions on it so far? Do you think people give a?

Jeremiah:

dang, or should we just fold this up and do something about something? I mean I would like less work to do. That'd be not all right. You know a few more minutes in the day, yeah, I mean, we're, we're hanging out. You know dinner time on a friday night, because that's the time we have. Yeah, but no, I I have to say I think it's, it's going well. Um, you know we've had a good good amount of people on that can speak to the topics that we want and hopefully put focus on, you know, safety in areas that the guys care about.

Jeremiah:

So they you know, instead of you know, popping on and just listen. You know they, they listen through, right, yeah, no, not to mention our shenanigans. Correct, come out when we're, you know, just around, especially when you know there's no one supervising us. I got to think that it's you know, just around, especially when you know there's no one supervising us, right? I gotta think that it's you know, we that it's doing pretty well.

Jeremiah:

Um, it's not like we did this for uh no, not for our own yeah, so yeah, like I said, you know, we're gonna line up more guests this next you know these next episodes and try and get more guys on and um, you know, hopefully you guys start using it like we. We see, right.

Dan:

So yeah, and you know when, when christian goes and like, opens up her little you know control the world software that she has on her computer and starts telling me where everybody's listening from. Um, I think it's like 14 countries. That's pretty nice that we have listeners from, and multiple listeners from, lots of countries and that's good. Good, I think, like Saudi Arabia, we've got like a couple dozen, which is interesting, quite a few European countries, some South American stuff, now, of course, us and Canada, pacific Rim We've got you know some listeners all up and down there. So I got to, I got to hope that people care about you know some listeners all up and down there, yeah.

Jeremiah:

So, um, well, I gotta, I gotta hope that people care about you know health and safety enough to pay attention a little bit. You know, yeah, exactly, no matter where you're at or what country you're in, or, right, I hope it's in, you know, they understand the importance. Or, once again, like find humor, in our shenanigans for just long enough to listen and be like oh wait, wait, there's substance here.

Dan:

Yeah, I just hope somebody absorbs something throughout Jeremiah's not constantly clicking them off so they can edit this out, Yep. So anyway, go back into just some of the different highlights. You know we started out with episode one, which I think was a little bit rough that was, that was our first episode unlocking spray foam, safety, ppe and certification yep that one was just pretty basic, trying to get people to look at it. Listen to us.

Jeremiah:

Cpi training that way I talked. It was last week I talked, I had a long talk with the applicator and the owner of the business and I was like, look, I was on site and we're talking about you know the university and training. And I was like you're like, how do we get into that? It's like, well, first you have to do the CPI certification. That's like step one. We require you to do this before you even show up Like you want the number. It's good for two years. It takes literally 20 minutes to take and it's the baseline. Hey, you care enough to sit down and take this test. Great, here's the card. Hey, sit down and you know, and I think and talking to them about why is like, look, man, it shows, it shows, shows they care enough to sit down and do this in the off time to get that little card that is important for the next step of their training right. It gives them a basic understanding of some small areas of health and safety to get their brain moving. Yeah, so they're.

Dan:

So they're thinking about it on the job site right and gives them a baseline of something that they can build off of and ask questions from, instead of being oblivious to everything yeah.

Jeremiah:

So when you show up to the job site, you're not taking steps back to kind of get them moving forward, like, oh, they're at, you're talking about open cell and closed cell, no pressure and high pressure, the stuff in the test like, okay, yeah, they start to connect the dots enough to where you can kind of start to mold the, the program that you're going to do with this, because every guy's different right, depending on how you you get out there and what they're doing, what product they're using, that you've got to kind of formulate a plan. As you meet these people and if they have, once again they have those baseline things like oh, he's paying attention, he's digging in, he's trying to figure this stuff out and I think this guy, you know, might want to stick around a while.

Dan:

So right, yeah, yeah. And if they're not willing to do that, they probably don't need to keep them around very long, because they're probably going to miss something else.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, I mean you don't want those guys that think you know you're just there to pick up the gun and do your job and then set it down and let everyone else you know there's more to it than that, right? So got to hope that's kind of instilled in those certifications from the CPI to the SPFA stuff that's more in-depth and digs down and the guys are lucky enough to be able to go out on site and work with guys like you know, rusty and Cole Fletcher and all those guys and Sam from General Coatings that run these programs, that have this experience in this industry and you're not just showing up on a job site injecting and doing your job right off the bat, right? So yeah.

Dan:

So then we we jumped into podcast number two, which was heat safety maintaining health and productivity in extreme situations. Uh and uh, summer temperatures Well, I think the biggest thing to take out of that is hydration is still an issue, no matter what climate you're in.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, that guys don't realize you can. You can get dehydrated in winter too, dan. I mean, yeah, you can be in an attic and you can be spraying and overworking yourself to where you get dehydrated when it's freaking 20 degrees out, if you don't stop and take a break, or even hydrate or eat when you have to, right.

Jeremiah:

Once again, you can have those same problems, yeah, that you'd have in extreme summer not as fast, of course, but right. I think, like I said, it's important, you know, to keep harping on that because, once again, the seasonal change is probably the biggest issue with fatigue and health that these applicators face, right?

Dan:

so, and I don't know about the rest of the world, but I know here it changed in the blink of an eye. We were like 109 two weeks ago and we're like 40 in the morning, right now?

Jeremiah:

yep, so it's like. You know, everyone thinks arizona, the. You know it's the oven of the us, but then you know, this part of time of the year it's still cold in the mornings and hot in the afternoons and you have to, like applicators, have to have the mindset for both cold and hot weather applications within an eight hour period, right, yes, have your layers be ready to shed them off throughout the day. Yeah, and then hydrate. So bundle up first, then hydrate in the afternoon, right, so you don't get heat stroke. It's great.

Dan:

And to the rest of the country suck it. Yeah, our weather is going to be good for the next six months. Yeah, it's pretty beautiful here. Yeah, exactly, we're all right. Yeah, come visit us. You'll like it here for a while, for For a while Until mid-May Exactly yeah.

Dan:

Yep, yep. So the rest of you guys? You know we're shoveling sunshine when you're shoveling snow. Yeah, that's exactly right. And of course you know I had several people pickle juice. You know that a bunch of people swear by it and a bunch of people are like really Weird Pickle juice they that a bunch of people swear by and a bunch of people are like really weird pickle juice.

Jeremiah:

They think it's weird. But it's not the vinegar, the salt, it's all that stuff you need when you're, when you're dehydrated, when you're on the brink of dehydration and and stuff like that. It adds everything back to your body, like water sometimes is not. No.

Dan:

Sometimes you're washing out minerals and stuff by drinking a bunch of water, just flushing your body.

Jeremiah:

Right, by drinking a bunch of water, just flushing your body, right? If you don't add things to it as you take it out, then you come in the same problem. You can drink all the water you want, right. But if you've sweat eight hours and you lost all that salt and everything else, it's going to be, it doesn't matter.

Dan:

Well, and you know, Hayden did explain to us very eloquently a few weeks ago In.

Jeremiah:

It was a good song. It was awesome.

Dan:

It was Thank you, thank you. Yeah, yeah. So then, podcast three. So then, uh, the podcast three equipment safety preventing life altering injuries. This started our trail of gore.

Jeremiah:

I think is what it was. We got gruesome. Josh had some some very interesting pictures.

Dan:

Yeah, Josh Carney was awesome. Yes, and what he brought in um changed my willingness to buy new gloves.

Jeremiah:

I would think so In the blink of an eye. That hand that looked like it, you know, had fishing twine wrapped around it, but it didn't.

Dan:

But it didn't, no, no, yeah.

Jeremiah:

You know, like I said once again, dan, we work with this equipment. The guys, you know, they turn on, they turn off, and I don't think they, especially the newer guys, don't fully understand the capabilities of what that equipment can do to the human body, not not the products it's meant to spray, but the human body if something goes sideways. And I think that was a good way. Sometimes you need, you need the freaking kind of smack in the face, right to say hey guys like this is a serious thing, you know, not many people talk about.

Jeremiah:

It was good of josh to bring up you know the injection, high pressure injections, because I mean, I haven't seen, you know that I don't think the only other career I've had that you know really hit that home was the military, because they have, so you know, hydraulic systems and stuff that are so high pressure like oh, and they talk about it a lot, right, so it was good to have, you know, a guy from graco to come in and sit down and talk to us about it, because again you gotta respect it.

Dan:

No, no, you've got to, and and you know, as we kind of discussed, all forms of energy that's coming to this equipment, we're using respect, whether it be pressure, heat, electricity, um high voltage, high pressure, you know yeah nothing that can hurt you. No, we're not asking for any kind. Oh, and then they put us in uncontrolled weather environments on top of that with the same equipment. Yeah, and we willingly go. Yes, we do. Yes, right, we brag that we go when it's worse.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, and I go back and back again and train people to deal with it. Hey man, if you make it a year, you'll probably stick around.

Dan:

You'll probably be there. Let's focus on that year and a day Right. And yeah, and you see, things like that picture, and even for seasoned guys that may have gotten a little bit neglectful of what they're doing, you know, and not thinking about it, that's a slap in the face. Man, I'd never want to see anything like that. I could go my whole life and never see a picture of that again and be perfectly happy. That would be nice, yeah, but anyway, yeah, josh was cool. That was a good episode.

Jeremiah:

But yeah, be mindful that when we had what five maximizing spray performance.

Dan:

So wait, well, this was again another gore thing, was it? Was it five, or was it that? Um, aaron, aaron whipped out the picture of the guy's foot that a barrel dropped on yeah, that was cool, yeah, that was really yeah um, it's like what he's, it's, it's.

Jeremiah:

There's always those pictures in our industry and like same thing with the military. You always have those pictures like here's what not to do and here's why, yeah, don't wear your wedding ring with when you're working with heavy equipment. Here's why. Yes, I didn't want to see that, but I did. Yeah, right, you know. Same thing with the pictures of the high pressure injections, like here's, here's why to pay attention. Yeah, oh right, it's like. So I I got it the same with aaron. You know he talked about the. You know, coming from the distribution side, what he deals with and all the things he has to go through, right, um, so once again added a good piece of bits of information to our talks.

Dan:

You know, once again, guys that deal with it every day exactly tell us how it is, and I love going into his shop and loading up with product and seeing somebody there not moving a barrel like trying to pull it around the back and I just yell.

Jeremiah:

Episode four episode four they got forks.

Dan:

They got everything they need to not do that. So yeah, they got everything they need to not do that. So yeah, so yeah. Juan's gotten pretty good at yelling episode four at me when I'm rolling stuff in and out of the trailer too. He should.

Jeremiah:

He should. He should Exactly. Juan should remind you that you actually made an episode.

Dan:

You're not being silly about this. Maybe I'm not doing it right, yeah.

Jeremiah:

Well, that's what we talk about, dan. It's like, look, if you see something, you gotta you should tell the people, because it's like it's the near misses that turn into accidents, right. Right, it's the ones that you're like, oh, that almost could have been bad, and you've all said it right. And then there's the ones that are bad, yeah, and there's always that thought of like, hey man, if someone would have said something when I was doing this, okay, you and you always remember someone that brought it up. Hey man, you know this, you know this happened to me. You probably should do it this way, ok. And then you realize you know one one misstep, half a quarter of a second mistake can affect your entire career, your life, in a way that you don't want it to. So you've got to think about it.

Dan:

Yeah, and the mindset that a near miss is a checkmark in the wind column is not the right mindset. Mark in the wind column is not the right mindset.

Jeremiah:

No, no, yeah, oh man, we got away with that. Yeah, oh, shoot, we dropped the drum off, full drum, off the back of the truck and you're trying to roll it up there with a two by four and sit away for our buddy. You know, it's like same, it's the same thing. And then you got it. Yeah, it's right. It's right on the edge of being a serious accident. Yes, and that's why they're called near misses, that's why they you know most companies in their safety talks will talk about near misses, because that's one step. Hey, we were lucky, yes, that this didn't happen. Here's, here's what could have happened.

Dan:

Yeah.

Jeremiah:

And there was like well, it didn't happen. Why are we talking about it?

Dan:

Because next time that you're in that situation'll remember the talk and you're like, oh yeah oh, now I know, and most commercial job sites you go to they want you to report near missed. They you know, just like you would, an incident or an accident or an injury. They want you reporting near misses because they know the value of it. Yeah, it's not so that they can have their little log sheet and go okay, today, company a, you know no stepped on a nail and it didn't cause any bodily harm.

Dan:

No, that's not what they're there to do.

Jeremiah:

It's not a grade, it's not a report card, it's an educational thing it's to communicate how to make sure it doesn't take that next step right more than anything else. Yes, because it's really easy for that drum, when you're rolling it, to tip a little too far back and smash your foot or go a little far forward and fall on step right more than anything else. Yes, because it's really easy for that drum, when you're rolling it, to tip a little too far back and smash your foot, or go a little far forward and fall on your friend like there's. You know there's lots of situations in our job that it's one step away from being an accident. Yes, everywhere in commercial buildings construction, they have those for that very reason, like yes right?

Dan:

yeah, for sure, and I think episode five. We kept aaron around a little longer because we liked him that much not enough not enough to turn him into episode six no, we didn't cut it off five cut it off five. Um good, I do have to apologize to the folks over at the fox den. Why is that? I uh gave out some spray foam mafia t-shirts around there and I didn't give one to tiffany.

Jeremiah:

Oh yes, so christian's like making her up like her own spray foam mafia sweatshirt that would be smart because, like it's it's, it's probably pretty normal for kristen to come in and save your ass, though, isn't it very?

Dan:

yes, there's on the list of reasons why I'm still alive today. Kristen's like in 75 percent of them.

Jeremiah:

That's usually how it goes, man right. It's like those near misses aren't just in in work anymore. No, no, they're everywhere except you. You get I told you so's. There's not a near miss meeting, there's a. I told you so for the next 10 years she's good at waiting until afterwards.

Dan:

Oh okay, she lets it simmer for 15, 20 minutes.

Jeremiah:

She lets you think it's not coming, and then just hammer it.

Dan:

And anymore it's coming. It's coming and something's going to come back around again pretty quick. Yes is coming, you know, and something's gonna come back around again pretty quick. Yes, but anyway, tiffany, I'm sorry, yeah, yes, you are the glue that holds energy fox together. We'll get you some swag we promise, and what a mistake I know. If I only had like somebody else in the industry that would would help me with this thing, it'd be amazing, um anyway, so, uh, yeah, episode five.

Dan:

Uh, we talked about the spray foam performance. I'm not sure what we started that one out in and in safety talks, but it immediately went into temperature control.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, maintaining your equipment, maintain, I'm like that went there and it stuck there and it was great well, yeah, because I mean every time, jen, we talked about freaking. Today, like about pre-conditioning, like literally today, like guy had a problem, his barrels are 50. What's the problem?

Jeremiah:

that's that's the problem your barrels are 50 degrees fahrenheit. That is literally the problem. You call me like it's doing this, it's doing that Machine won't pump like my barrels are 50. There it is. There it is. It's really simple and if your distributor has the facilities to take care of, give it to you at 70 degrees, even if, like I said, you know a lot of guys sometimes pick up in the mornings Like if you pick it up at 70 degrees, know it's probably going to lose 10 degrees on the drive, you don't have heat, but it's still that temperature when you pick it up from the distributors we have. And that's important and that's why you said you walk aaron's. Aaron's is temperature controlled. There's a lot of our distributors uh, csc and all you know, nate miller they're all temperature controlled warehouses because they know they want their guys to pick it up and be able to go to the job site and spray if they have to right and anytime they have a call with an issue like the first freaking question is what's your drum temp?

Jeremiah:

like what's your drum temp, and then we move into what's your machine temperatures at, because the delta t is important to understand how the machine works.

Dan:

If they do not know what delta t is, just send us an email. We'll explain it to you. It's very important to your job. It's very important.

Jeremiah:

If the drum is 50 degrees and your machine is Delta T of 40 and you set it to 120, it's not hitting the 120.

Dan:

That means you're going to 90. 90 degrees 50 plus 40 is 90.

Jeremiah:

So to have a distributor, that you go there or you get a delivery and your product is the temperature that you know the manufacturer recommends to start. Yes, it saves, you know, half an hour, an hour of your day, yeah, and when it's 50 it's two hours, dan, because you know you're putting on blankets if it's closed cell, you're recirculating if it's open cell and it takes time to get it to where it should be, so you can just pump it through the machine.

Dan:

So, anyway, and I'm watching, all of those dollar signs fly out of that exhaust stack, hence why you said this, like we started talking about it and it was.

Jeremiah:

It just kept going because it's literally the most like, the first step is the most important. It's like everyone says breakfast is the most important meal of the day, preconditioning is the most important meal of the day for a foamer, like, because if that drum is cold or it's too hot, or that's step one and you have to fight everything from step one. Yeah. So yeah, it was like I said that once again, it's easy to see why it went off because, like, that's like it just did yeah, because everyone should care, we like, you know people brush it aside, but it's like look man, we, we can't, we can't make a product, and then that doesn't work in the machine, like, and the machines only do so much, and they do that for a reason. They have air codes, they don't pump that viscous material. For a reason because graco, pmc, all these guys know like manufacturers say no, yeah, so the machine shouldn't do it right, exactly anyway.

Jeremiah:

Yes, once again like I said, as you know that, yeah, that's a big one because every literally, and it's winter. So right now, you know guys, wherever this comes out, it's winter time. Yeah, and it's getting colder. Literally every day, two to three phone calls.

Dan:

Yes, hey, man, you know it's cold right, did you put on a jacket this morning? How come your phone?

Jeremiah:

yeah, yeah well, I put my. You know, you put your jacket on, your beanie on, you go to work when you know you set your thing to 85 degrees and you hop in your trailer and hit the little remote start on the truck yeah you hit the remote start on the truck.

Jeremiah:

So before you walk out of the house you know 20 minutes the truck's warm when you get in. But then you hop in your rig and it's 55 degrees and then you're like, well, we're just going to start right up and go to work, right, and I do it in my truck because I like my coffee to stay hot, and that's what I mean. I drink iced coffee 24, 24, 7.

Dan:

So it doesn't bother me.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, it's about efficiency, and hot coffee takes too long to drink.

Dan:

I like bass, we enjoy it.

Jeremiah:

No down, go to work helps keep my blood pressure low while I'm on the road.

Dan:

Yeah, I need to drink less coffee anyway anyway, yeah, and david was bringing me a bunch of product the other day and, uh, we were having the same topic, just talking about it because my you know insulated storage container with the mini split on it, um had to change my settings the other day.

Jeremiah:

Yeah.

Dan:

It's. You know, it's great.

Jeremiah:

It's a little icicle button off but a little heat button on to us as techs and anybody, it is sometimes crazy, um, that people will change the settings in the house, they'll have the remote start for their cars, but they'll hop on a rig and expect the products a and B, no matter what the manufacturer, to just work Right. They will not look at the guide, they will not look at the drum that we put on the sticker.

Dan:

They're literally like.

Jeremiah:

Hey, here's the bottom end, here's the top end. Get in there, right, it'll work, and there'll be below it and we'll get a phone call. Hey man, why is this not working? Um, you see the sticker on the drum like and we're much nicer than that, of course, as you know dan but we're like, we try and inform them, like why? Like, hey, man, like, okay, the drum's 50, here's the thing. Yeah right, pumping molasses is hard. Yes, definitely, and your machine doesn't like molasses. Yes, it's that simple. Yeah, so yeah.

Dan:

Yeah and again, aaron, thank you. Yeah, we used your office and we used a fair amount of your time.

Jeremiah:

We did it, but it's an important. It's important Right now, being winner.

Jeremiah:

It's even more important because these get to work and guys know, if you don't precondition and go off, you know, go on those parameters that are set forth by whatever manufacturer you use. Like you're making a phone call and they're at there. Be like, hey man, yeah, they're all the same. Quite like, hey man, it's, you know, it's 40 degrees outside your drum, 60, you're trying to spay, 135, right, that that's not, that's not going to happen. It's. You know a lot of these guys. They just don't know. They don't know delta T, and that's not a fault of their own. They don't know these little things. They want to go, they want to spray good foam and then these other things are learned, right, yes, like how to manipulate the foam in those conditions to make sure it does everything it should and keep it around.

Dan:

Yeah, it's yeah, and, and you make the mistake once you learn delta t, you learn all that stuff very quick, yeah yeah, well, you would.

Jeremiah:

Well, it's sometimes. You know, it's the same guys every year, dan, yeah, it's the same guys every year that for some odd reason will switch manufacturers this time of year or they'll always call. And you know, and guys, we, we log our calls. Yeah, we log our calls. We discuss our calls. We know who calls as text the most often, right, and you know like, oh, here's john doe, it's freaking. You know, mid-september it's getting cold. He forgot to buy winter. Well, here's this phone call. You know, and we know that stuff. But we do it with all the grace we can because we know you look, you're busy, sometimes you forget, but that's why we're here.

Jeremiah:

Everyone's like I don't want to make a, I don't want to ask dumb questions or make a stupid phone call. It's like there's literally not one. Honestly, all the crap, I'll give you crap like hey, man, yeah, I remember this call last year about this time and we're gonna have the same talk, but and they'll laugh and we'll work on it, but that's what we're here for. It's like you're there to run a business and make, make money to support your family. We're here so you can pick up that phone and ask these questions and not have to. You know, not feel stupid, not feel dumb. Someone's going to tell you exactly what you need to do to get back on track, to once again spray that phone, finish the job, go home in one piece, right?

Dan:

so exactly and yeah, and, like I said, it's great to make a joke about it and try to make the situation light, but there's no reason to be so embarrassed about it that you can't call, because that's not what we're about. No, that's nothing. No, call, yeah. And if your barrel's 45 degrees and you know it and you want to ask questions, call and go. Oh, by the way, my barrel is 45 degrees, don't hide it, man, just don't.

Jeremiah:

And once again, guys, like we have been trained, the techs that have been doing this long enough, we've been trained and know how to troubleshoot from a video and a phone call. Like you cannot hide those important facts from us. The foam is made to show some of them. Yes, because we want it to. We don't want it to do certain things, because it will stop you from doing certain things. Right, we can manufacture a product a certain way so that it works with the equipment and the applicator, to only go so far, right. So when you send us a video and we were like, hey man, when we had the first question, hey man, what's your barrel temperature? And you're like, well, it's a, you know, 75, 80. There's probably a reason why that's the first question. You know, like, because we can see from the skin the way it reacts, especially in a video. You can always see at the last second the transition on the skin. Sometimes it will flash and go from matte to gloss, like closed cell. It'll look translucent if it's freaking friable. There's things that there's markers that techs know about. Yeah, so just you know, like I said once again, guys, it's we're here to help and when you're having problems, once again, for you know, look at the guide. Like most of the time I'm not kidding, dan, this time of year it's it's literally in black and white.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, either on the drum on our website, I started laminating the processing packets again, you know, because of winter time. You want to. What are my problems? Well, here here's a guide. It's laminated, put on your rig. You know, there's a and I've the guy, the, the new guys, especially. Just last week I handed one to a guy and he's taking lunch and he's eating his sandwich. He's reading. The guy yeah, and that's why I hand them out. It's like why do you guys have the website and the barrel and the pamphlets and the and the classes? Like, cause one of those things is going to get to the guy. One's going to sink in, one is going to sink in. Some guys like the app. They want to scroll and do it at their own time. Some guys want to read. It's, once again, like I said, that's why that freaking conversation went off is because it's it's literally so important and you know it's good to have guys that understand.

Dan:

Yes, exactly Episode six, that was another one where you and I were on our own. Yeah, confined spaces.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, ventilate, ventilate ventilate, yeah, ventilate, understand air exchange, like, yeah, it's Once again. I hate that I always have examples, dan, but you know we had a guy that you know his unit was cycling on and off really fast, yeah, and he wanted to blame the applicator. I'm like, well, you know, sir, if the unit is cycling on and off very fast, it means something's working very efficiently. Yes, I don't know what it is, but it could be something installed in the roof line. Yeah, it's air permeable and you know, open cell I don't know, could be one of those things.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, and it once again it came down to like you're creating an air permeable, confined space and they sometimes they just don't think about it. It's like you know the tons of the unit, all these things come into play. It's like you're sealing off these spaces and you're in them working and you have to be safe and understanding that stuff. It will help you not only be safe but also deal with homeowners that haven't been informed about this stuff yet. Right, that's Dan texting when he shouldn't, by the way.

Dan:

That would be the producer. Oh, checking in Babysitting, babysitting, yes. Thanks, checking in Babysitting, babysitting, yes.

Jeremiah:

Thanks for calling. Now.

Dan:

We figured it out, figured it out yeah, you didn't answer us 30 minutes ago.

Jeremiah:

She's gonna edit. She's gonna edit this part out and then call me.

Dan:

She's gonna be like what? She'll wait to do it in person, okay, so yeah, she's not. Yeah, she's not an over the phone Confrontational. She's not an over the phone confrontational, she's a right in your face confrontation.

Jeremiah:

It's probably worked well for all these years being married to you dad, I'm not saying it's easy.

Dan:

She just likes to marry somebody, good and bad.

Jeremiah:

Oh, she's going to edit that part.

Dan:

That's going out. Yeah, that's going out, that's for sure, and yeah. So then episode seven, nick McCartney. Yeah, that was a cool one. That one came out with a whole lot more good information. It did, and it's funny, it went right back to proper preconditioning temperatures too. It's crazy, it's like we to proper preconditioning temperatures too. It's crazy, it's like we're in an industry that that matters.

Jeremiah:

It's like we're trying to produce and manufacture a chemical that requires certain parameters to. You said produce properly, right, it's insane, it is.

Dan:

Again, like I said, I think Nick did a great job on that one, explaining the reasons why that we're doing using intumescent coatings, when to use them, how to not use them and how to screw it up.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, and how, once again, he can tell you screwed it up by looking at it, by looking at it yes, you know how he was talking about the drip and looking at it.

Jeremiah:

By looking at it, yes, you know how he's talking about the drip and the cracking and the mudding and stuff like that, and it's like, once again, it's like you know, these products are made to do so much. And then when you try and push it, it does things that we can tell you've done it Right. And when you call and you give us a picture and a video, we're like, hey, and nick said it again. He's like, yeah, when they do this and that this is what happens. You know, when we asked about, you know, the, the thinning out of the liquid, yeah, look, you can literally get this much. And if you add this much I know you've added too much by the look by, yes, mixing, like, once again, the guy has learned how to troubleshoot and maintain a product over a phone call. In the video, yes, and once that's, once again you got. These guys need to understand that. Like that's.

Dan:

And and if anybody has this question they can go right back to this episode. What size sprayer can I use? Yeah, I mean spray foam worldwide. I bet three different times and since nick was on, yeah, that question's been asked and I always tag nick and then put spray foam mafia to a lot of soccer safety the episode and the time, because he tells you plain as day what needs to be better.

Jeremiah:

There's things you can use for intumescent, there's things you can use for coatings. You know, and it's important to know, yeah, otherwise, like I said, once again you're gonna fight right exactly.

Dan:

Uh. So anyway, I said I got a lot out of that. That I'm not sure I would. I thought I went okay, well, I need intimesic coding, so it's not going to be covered. So I have a 15-minute fire-rated barrier with my phone. Man, that's all.

Jeremiah:

I thought you should have came to Green Day. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a good time. Good time. Thanks, aaron.

Dan:

And Josh, and and Josh and Josh. That's right, exactly, okay. So so are we eight, eight and nine? Eight and nine is Urban Challenges. Well, yeah, because we had Rusty and Miguel.

Jeremiah:

Oh, that's right, I was like you know we're getting a few and I can't remember, you can't remember.

Jeremiah:

And Urban Challenges was Rusty talking about trying to park his equipment in the streets of san francisco yeah, and we went into new york and a few other cities that it's free, and chicago is another one, yeah, it's. It's absolutely insane what these guys get done in these cities where, yeah, they'll go the night before and park their cars there and then come back the next day so they can park their truck and then they move their cars a half a mile away because there's no parking right. It's like the steps these guys go through to get these jobs done.

Dan:

It's just like I said, it's phenomenal it is like no, and it's amazing that people are creative enough to figure out the tools that they have to do to get it done. Yeah, and, and it's now their normal course of a day.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, and they don't care. You know resting california, miguel. You know, back in the home just talking about the differences, like some, some guys can't understand. You know, working in the city, right, it's like mr coolidge yes, but I'm with you, no.

Dan:

No, I know I'm like. I set traffic cones out.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, on a street yeah that three cars wide could go by and everybody honks at me like I, like, I blocked the whole road. Yeah, these cities, the guys will set up cones, people, people will move them and park.

Dan:

Yes, that's right.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, there's no Fs given and they're just like the people are. Yeah, the guy's trying to get the job done. They don't realize it.

Dan:

Right, exactly, but that one. I believe in those two episodes we had a ton of good information from fire safety you know the talking about the changing the fuel line over from the compressor to the coatings machine, yeah, and talking about the sidewalks, and you know what hazards to look for there. There's a ton of good information out of both of those. Now, the one question that's keep that keeps coming up out of episode eight specifically did Hunter ever, ever find a rig for his customer in California or in Idaho? I don't know. We can ask him, yeah. So, hunter, let us know, because you were on. That is actually in episode eight. We were harassing him on the phone we were, we were heckling not harassing.

Jeremiah:

Harassing sounds bad it was, it was, it was fun and childish it was. Which is heckling, heckling. Harassing sounds you know mean and you know addictive. Oh, yeah, mean and yeah, mean and childish, yeah.

Dan:

But anyway. So that was one of the biggest points.

Jeremiah:

I wonder if you ever found a rig. That's for that Nine. We were talking gas engines and fire prevention.

Dan:

Yeah, that was again Rusty and Miguel sticking around helping us out. Oh, there's a lot to talk about. There was Well, and with those two guys, if you're gonna pin a couple guys down to talk, those are two great ones to talk about.

Jeremiah:

yeah, they've got a lot of history, yeah and all of us have the same view on gas engines and safety and the difference between diesel and what you should be using. So it's nice to all right guys. This is this is why everyone keeps hampering this right. You know, rusty had the, you know, unfortunate examples, like he said, of why he doesn't do it a certain way and why we keep telling it's like once again, we have living examples. In reality, it's not like we're like well, you shouldn't do this because I say so. Like well, let me tell you something.

Jeremiah:

Let me tell you know, if it's not well, I had this happen. It's like my buddy had this happen and it, you know, and that's like that we're trying to stop that from happening. The new guys coming in right. It's like, look, there's, there's things you need to learn. Mistakes you need to need to have happen to, yeah, to become uh, proficient, really good, a good applicator and good, uh, business operator in this industry. But there's things that, no, there's things you don't need to have. Yeah, a fire in your rig because you decided to go with the gas instead of the electric, or you decided to go with the gas generator that sits in your rig instead of pulling it out. Right, you start a fire.

Dan:

Those are things that guys don't need to learn no, just quite honestly, and and some things were just lack of maintenance that caused the problems. You know, you know again, I go back to you know I give props to the guys that their pride and their ego isn't so big that they can't just say look, I did this, I made this mistake and I don't know how I lived through it, but I'm sitting here to tell you about it right now.

Jeremiah:

In that episode both Miguel myself, you and Rusty were like, well you know let me tell you a story that I don't want to tell you. Like I think that happened more than a few times. Like, like I think that happened more than a few times. It's like, well, I'm going to tell you this. I don't want to, but I'm going to tell you because it's important. Yeah, and that vanity is set aside for the safety of the fellow man, right, you set that aside. Look, I made this mistake. Here's how, right.

Dan:

When Rusty was talking about crossing a starter with a screwdriver, the look on everybody's face was like um, what are you talking?

Jeremiah:

about. I have never done that in my life. Luckily kids nowadays you know you can't Right, you can't Physically, it's not going to Right.

Dan:

But yeah, every single one of them, every one of us looked around there like, and I had a special screwdriver that had a thicker rubber handle.

Jeremiah:

I had a special screwdriver that had a thicker rubber handle. You know the ranch trucks, the trucks, the work trucks, like they're all. They're all 30, 30 years old, 200,000 miles on them when we started, so those guys weren't.

Dan:

No, the mice chewed up the wires 20 years ago, so yeah, you just learned to do it.

Jeremiah:

I forgot that welding.

Dan:

Everybody, everybody in that room is looking around.

Jeremiah:

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about.

Dan:

We all aged ourself really quick. We're talking about starters and solenoids yes, uh-huh, yeah, but again it just goes back to that. You know it's cool that people will come on something that's going to be recorded for all of history and confession to you and I.

Jeremiah:

Social media doesn't disappear, so in this case it's a good thing, exactly Because we want people to listen to that and understand it, right, yep?

Dan:

So then episode 10, vacuum safety with Dave Krenzel. Oh, mr Dave, yeah, yeah. Dave gave us some cool stuff yeah.

Jeremiah:

Well, I mean, his family has been in this industry in insulation, not spray foam for a very long time. You know, his father created the machines that we use. I used when I started and he created the machine that I used not a couple of years ago. You know, the diesel, like I told him, like a diesel vacuum was insane, like what it is it could do. And you know, like you said, the progression from his father to him and how he's made changes and safeties in these equipments. You know, like the flappers on both sides and those things that he's changed in his tenure do at cool machines.

Dan:

Right, yeah, um, yeah, it was yeah, and and you know the knowing that his market is now higher horsepower machines, like he said, made the comment I can, I can make a 100-horsepower vacuum. Everybody would buy it. Yeah, because it's cool, because it's cool that diesel vacuum.

Jeremiah:

When you engage that impeller it goes from this motor running to that impeller. Yeah, it's like. Takes a second, it's like. It's like. Yeah, all right.

Dan:

Man what's?

Jeremiah:

that show Tim the two-man sailor that show's ridiculous. And then you're in there in the rig and it's, oh yeah, all right, all right, it sucks up a bat and it eats it up.

Dan:

You're like yeah all right, yeah, yeah, you know. And just explaining things like the you know the vac savers on the front, the diverter elbows on the back, how to align the machine, I mean most people think, oh, I threw all the safety stuff off, let's go. But you know, he was even detailed about how to you know align the machine so that if something happens and something flies out it's going in a safe direction.

Jeremiah:

There's a reason. They tell you to put it together and assemble it and use it the way they do, like they put thought into it, like they design that equipment to do a certain thing in a certain way. And once again, if you don't listen and then you call them like hey, I did this, it's the same as calling us as a manufacturer tech. You're like, hey, man, I'm having problems spraying, it's bristering, it's friable and my drum's 40. Well, it's like if you called dave and said, hey, I'm having problems, I haven't checked my own like a month. Right, I think something's wrong. You know dave's gonna be like I'm pretty sure I understand what's happening you know yeah and yeah, uh and little pointers.

Dan:

you know what he was given about. You know, go over and above what the engine manufacturer is saying for those machines, because it's such a harsh application that he wrote the guidelines to say look this, this is better, follow it, we're talking about, like I said, changing the oil.

Jeremiah:

Like most guys, they change the oil when they put gas in the car, right, and these engines every other day, yeah, I was told my guys every day, every morning, when you're getting everything, you're freaking, securing the hose, like what's it take? You pull out the stick and look at it, Put it back in, check it it out, the stick and look at it, put it back in, check it. It takes literally seconds, yes, to verify that you didn't burn off too much oil. Because they burn off oil they do like doesn't drip anywhere, it doesn't go anywhere. It burns off in a hot day, yeah, lunchtime, yeah, you may need to check it. I've burned off quartz, yeah, and when you're really going, if you have those big vacuums going, say, with the six and diverted off to two and have two guys in the attics, they will burn the oil and the gas fast, yeah, so yeah, and I mean just little things like blow them off, take them home every night, clean them off, get those air fins clean so that they stay cool.

Dan:

You mean it needs air to stay cool. No, the term air cool has no bearing on that. It's not in the title. It's not. The term air-cooled has no bearing on that at all. It's not in the title or anything.

Jeremiah:

No, it sometimes says it on the machine. It says it on the machine let's put it in the back of the box truck and we're going to put our bags around it. Yeah, then it's going to overheat and we're going to call the manufacturer. What's the problem?

Dan:

What's the matter and I'm sure, like Honda or any of those other Briggs and Stratton, I'm sure they love the warranty calls of things like that.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, I'm sure they're very receptive to that the Honda vacuums at service partner sales. They're all. You look at them. It's like you know, maintain good ventilation, like check the oil every other day. Like it's not, like it's a special thing that Honda has or Crandall has or Cool Machine has. It's once again like spray foam a cool machine has. It's once again like spray foam. Yes, it's like all of us have a same basic set of things to follow to make things work and if you follow those, it's pretty pretty nice right straight away. You know you, yeah, you install off ratio product, you burn out your vacuum engine, you blow a belt, you melt a belt, like all those things. It's like it's, it's crazy, it's got to be. 60 of the calls is is in the literature about what you did right. When you're talking about it and I'm like I said from talking to david's the same way yeah, like half the time you get on the phone like, ah, okay, okay, I know what you're gonna do now here's what we need to do different this different this time.

Dan:

Let's try this again exactly but yeah, no, I got a lot of that episode. I mean, for a guy that a vacuum, but we don't do a lot of removals. It was. It was cool to hear you know a lot of the setup, a lot of the better way to do it, that he gave us in that probably 45 minutes of time there, forty two minutes. I just 42 minutes. You just look one of our longer episodes. Well, again, that was yeah, that was not by much courtesy of dave like not six minutes I think you and I may have said three minutes worth of talk.

Jeremiah:

That's good. We're not. We're not the experts, we're just kind of. I don't make vacuums, no machine. So if I'm like carter, well dave. What about this?

Dan:

right, let him talk. Yeah, we just kind of poked the bear just a little bit and he unloaded. It was great, and I'm still stunned that they have to put half-inch of AR-500 plate on a vacuum.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, it cheers it away. It's crazy, guys, you open that up. It's scary. When you open up those vacuums, you see that impeller and you're like, oh, now I know why. And then you're like, oh, that's why he has the diverter and the catch and all this other stuff. And they tell you not to put the bag right to the freaking end of the vacuum. It's like, oh, this thing's, it's a heavy machine, it is.

Dan:

You know, those impeller.

Jeremiah:

What is it like? A quarter inch thick some of them.

Dan:

Yeah, it's like those machines you got to respect 250 mile an hour tip speed, whizzing around in that thing, and then everyone's like you know you got 25, I want 30.

Jeremiah:

It's like you want that thing going with a 30 horse.

Dan:

Right, Come on. Well, and what he said they're working on a 40.

Jeremiah:

Yeah, yeah, and that's all it does is just like the double hoses with spray foam. It just makes it so you could add things without having to buy another, because, like the diesel vacuum you're talking about, unlike the, the smaller ones, you know, you can have a six divert and you can have two guys pulling at the same time with those machines, and I think that's the direction a lot of guys are going. You know, horsepower is great. We're men, we want to. He's got 30, I got for you.

Jeremiah:

But in reality it's seems that more companies are making equipment that can have dual uses. Right, oh, one guy can spray, or something goes bad. This guy can spray, or this guy can remove, something goes bad, you know, and we're behind. We can divert it and two guys can go and get the job done. Right, it's more's, more and more. It's like it seems that manufacturers of equipment and spray foam are looking closer to efficiency instead of just selling more equipment or selling more foam. I had the conversation the other day about performance versus prescriptive. I was like I would love to sell you, our contractor, more foam, right, but yes, that's not what we're here for, right. Same with the equipment I, but yes, that's not what we're here for Right Same with the equipment. I would love to sell you the 40 horsepower machine, just because it has 40 horsepower. Blah, blah, blah.

Dan:

But here's the other added value to having something cool, right, yes, yeah, well, and labor costs are so high? Yeah, and you know we are in a market in which labor, yeah, and it's not going down no, it's not as the economy moves ahead here.

Jeremiah:

No, then you get more experienced guys. Yeah, you pay them more for their experience. You want to Definitely.

Dan:

You want to yeah.

Jeremiah:

Because, once again, we want experienced guys in there to use the equipment right, install the foam coatings, whatever they're, polyurea right, whatever they're doing. And that comes with experience and understanding the equipment and, like I said, it would be great. I'm sure Mr Krendel would love to sell more vacuums, oh, yes, deepak would love to sell more foam. Yes, but both of them would rather sell a product that is better and more efficient than more. Yes, and they think, and, as I think you know, if you make a product that is better than they're going to, they're always going to come back, they're going to keep using, they're going to listen if it's more efficient, yes, definitely.

Dan:

Yeah, well, yeah, exactly, and and as a business owner, that's a key factor is our time is so tight, yeah, and so if I need to buy a bigger machine so we can get done with X job three hours faster, whatever it is it, whatever it is, it pays me back and my people are happy, yeah, because there's more pride in it too, though, yeah, we're tougher, the whole thing six hours instead of nine. Yeah, we kicked that one ass.

Jeremiah:

You know that's yeah, the guys you know, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not to charge more, anything else, it's like, yeah, something might be this way, but it's once again, it's to get you home sooner or to get more yield out of the product or just to be safer. Yeah, I think you hit that home on the vacuum stuff because that, like I said, I vacuum, the vacuums and the blowing machines are there's some of the most hazardous things yeah, just like our ci cutters like right, you show that thing to most people.

Jeremiah:

Like what in the heck is that? Yeah, like no, it's a handheld grinder, right? Why would you want that? Well, I mean, it makes perfect sense and then hold it up near your face to see yeah, it's like we're trying to make equipment that gets these jobs done.

Dan:

It gets it safe if my workman's comp auditor is listening.

Jeremiah:

We don't use no, we don't have a an open grinding wheel. No, we use on a wall.

Dan:

We don't know, we don't have those things, no, so All right. So that was like kind of the highlight reel so coming up topics that we know we want to hit on big in the holiday season is we're going to hit mental health?

Jeremiah:

Yeah, it's big. Well, yeah, and Travis Brandt, my boss over at UPC, the the manager is going to talk. Well, yeah, and Travis Brandt, my boss over at UPC, the manager, is going to talk. I talked to him, you know about, like I said, he's, he has kids, he does baseball, he works, he's like, yeah, it's important to understand, like, how to balance all that out. How do you spend time with the family, how do you maintain the career that pays for the house, the bills, the food, and not overdo it? And I think that's the talks we've got to start having. That's what I told Travis Like, look, we're going into holiday season, we're going to be talking about mental health because it's the holidays. We're overworking for the holidays or to, you know, to have a good holiday, because that's, you know, part of what goes on here. It gets busy, but you know, I think, like you said, it's important to understand the mental health of this. Unfortunately, sometimes guys lose in this industry. We've seen it a lot lately, unfortunately. Right, exactly.

Dan:

Yeah, so we're going to talk about some of that. We've got several different guests we're working on lining up for that one. We may end up doing three or four episodes throughout the whole holiday season on those kinds of things. We've got Bruce lined up, the scottsdale fire factor yeah, that's gonna come in and talk to us a little bit about fire extinguishers, basic fire safety, and one of the things that was brought up on that was what to do when you call 9-1-1. He's like it's amazing how much time can be wasted by people that don't have the information in front of them when they call 9-1-1.

Jeremiah:

He's like you don't think about it. He's going to go and tell us all about?

Dan:

I sound like one of these politicians. When you elect me, I'll tell you my plan.

Jeremiah:

When we get Bruce here, he'll tell you the plan it's too important to talk about. We'll tell you all about the important stuff we didn't tell you about this time, right, exactly.

Dan:

It's like a carrot, I am. Yes, it's building drama, so building All right. So let's throw out a pro tip For everybody today, beyond temperatures, because we beat that up enough today. Yeah, what's yeah?

Jeremiah:

What's another? I mean, let's see something that came up recently with all of us Like, like carrying of your equipment, like I like I think on our team we had two guys dealing with like coagulated isocytes this week, okay, and then when it comes to you know we're talking about safety and health it's like not only is that costly, dan, as you know, to replace a hose, replace transfer lines, have to stop and flush and do the putting in the iso filter and spraying and stopping and spraying and stopping it's like, but also, you know, back pressure in these systems. You know, and that's what comes to mind when you see this, this coagulated gunk come out of the A side is like, if that gets really bad and say, say, a new guy tries to repressurize the system and just keeps doing it, keeps doing, it, keeps doing it and because of that coagulation, that clog, it's not happening. I've seen guys blow lines doing that because they just keep trying to repressurize and all you're doing is build up, build up, build up and as it starts to bulge and then it has a burst point, right, um, just take care of it, like the spray lines. That, once again, that's our tool belt, that's how we get our job done.

Jeremiah:

Not only is it's how we make our money and how, you know, everyone gets paid, but also, like that, that's a piece of equipment that once again needs to be respected and I've seen too many lately where guys aren't respecting that line. You know it's, it's freaking in snow, it's broken apart in in a puddle of rain. You're like, hey man, like right, yeah, you know, like I said, coagulation, where guys are having spending all day pushing the stuff out for these guys, yeah, just to get them back. And you know, luckily we have guys there and you know the guys that know how to clean that up. But the wrong guy, the wrong situation, yeah, I think the high pressure system again is something we just continue to have to harp on. So guys begin to respect this equipment. Right, like I said, you've seen it down in the eyes of I, like you go, these lines are destroyed, yes, and this is 2000 psi that you're you're messing with. I think that's for me, that's the biggest one lately. Is really guys understanding what's going on with that equipment, right? Yeah?

Dan:

the uh last week. Uh, I was running around doing a whole bunch of stuff, had a job that needed to get done. It wasn't a very big job and it was a closed sale job. The trailer that I spray out of all the time was all set with closed sale trailer. Katie sprays out of all the time, it's all set with open sale. I said can you just take my rig and uh go spray that job now?

Jeremiah:

everybody in the company went. Oh, you know, because they know like don't mess with the settings, don't mess with anything and don't miss my presets. Katie's in there doing it on purpose rearranging my tool?

Dan:

yeah, I mean, I would, if I was there, I'd be laughing with you.

Jeremiah:

Let's move this over here, and she anyway gets done next morning.

Dan:

You know she's like okay, here's all the reports on it stuff, here's some pictures how it came out.

Jeremiah:

I'm like all right cool. How did it all go?

Dan:

she's like why?

Jeremiah:

is that air hose leaking? So what do you mean? Air hose, yeah I don't know.

Dan:

The arrows are plugged into your b-side stick pump. It's hissing, said it's not hissing. Yeah, no, it's hissing. So we pulled a little condom thing back and it's all checked up right there. I've done it so many times and that has slowly built up that you know it's. I don't even pay attention. Yeah, so back to the take care of your equipment. Um, if you're like me that just gets used to one thing and don't let anybody else touch it, let somebody else walk through. If you don't have somebody in your company to do it, call somebody.

Jeremiah:

You get used to all the um though. You get used to the the rig. You're on right, it has it quirks and you don't realize it, because every morning you walk in, you do this switch, you hit this, you bang it on the side, you go to town yeah someone else gets on your rig.

Dan:

Yeah, like this thing's a piece of crap, it's like no no, how much money I make off of this is a bad chat, right every rig is a little different and I, you know, once again had this talk before.

Jeremiah:

It's like you could have two rigs side by side, same product, two different applicators, same house, and they'd be completely different setting.

Dan:

Yeah.

Jeremiah:

It's yeah.

Dan:

Right, yeah, cool, all right. Well, everybody again, thank you for listening to us. Pick us up on your favorite podcast platforms, no matter what they be Spotify or iTunes. I don't know if we're on iTunes yet or not, or whatever their iPod one is. I'm not part of the Apple cult, so I don't know for sure. Then, yeah, we've got the Facebook page, sprayful Mafia, the website that's up and going, that we're putting info on all the time, got all kinds of tabs and stuff there. We're still working on the what Makes Jeremiah Lose His Shit tab. That's going to be awesome when that gets all done. That's a tab. I think that that one's going like full pro build out. It's not gonna be like just a little button list. I think our producers are doing clips.

Jeremiah:

God bless you and just like you, just hear like 10 seconds of venting.

Dan:

Yeah, it's just like different ones like well, let's see like clark griswold on on Christmas Vacation, just going off the happiest motherfucking Christmas this side of Mississippi very pretty. I just watched this whole this side of the nut house. We're gonna be the jolly bunch of ass on this side of the nut house yeah yeah, exactly that's me. Yeah, thanks again for listening. Look forward to having you back for our antics and episodes. Yeah, there you go.

Jeremiah:

Later guys.

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